What do Babe Ruth, Ruth Bader Ginsberg, and a cat named Porkchop all have in common? They’ve all been distinguished guests on Stetson Law’s storied hundred-year-old campus.
In this episode we sit down with Brooke M. Smith, a Circulation Librarian and Archivist, and Reference Librarian Sally Ginsberg Waters to discuss the history of that campus, dating back to its original construction as the Hotel Rolyat, an attraction for celebrities during the Roaring Twenties.
Speaker 1 (00:02.99)
It's really different here from a lot of law schools. I went to a large university where you had people from all sorts of different programs there. You thousands of people. You had the undergrads who wanted to come in and use the nice library. But here it's because we are separate from the university. We've got a small community here.
This is Real Cases, a legal podcast presented by the Stetson University College of Law. We'll sit down with Stetson Law faculty and students to examine today's critical cases and debates in environmental, international, elder, and business law, plus the role of social justice in these fields. Join us as we open the case file. Episode 31, The Stetson Law Campus and the History of the Hotel Rolyat. I'm Daniel O'Keefe.
Master of English Literature from Indiana University. Unlike the rest of Stetson University, which is located in DeLand, Florida, Stetson Law is located in Gulfport on a 21-acre Mediterranean revival-style campus. Part of what makes the campus so unique is that the core buildings originally housed the Hotel Rolyat, built during the Great Florida Land Boom of the 1920s. Today, to discuss the rich history of Stetson's campus,
We're joined by two members of the Dali and Homer Hand Law Library staff, circulation librarian and archivist Brooke Smith and reference librarian Sally Ginsberg Waters. Ms. Waters has worked as a librarian at Stetson Law for over 40 years and teaches advanced legal research. She co-authored a guide for attorneys called Free Internet Legal Research with co-authors Juanita Scroggs and Kristen Moore.
Brooke Smith joined the library staff in 2023. She has a background in education and received her MLS from Penn West Clarion. Before starting at Stetson, she worked in school, public, hospital and legislative library settings. So I think a lot of people know that one of Stetson's claims to fame is that it's the oldest law school in Florida, right, that it was the first law school to be founded in Florida. But
Speaker 3 (02:23.086)
I think some people might be surprised to know that it was founded in 1900, but it was originally operated in Deland, Florida, along with the rest of Stetson's campus, and it only moved to Gulfport in 1953. So I'm curious to ask, why did they move to Gulfport? What prompted that decision?
Partially it was because Gulfport made the best bid for the school. The school needed to move. They had a lot more people coming back because of the end of the war during World War II. You had a lot of people who would have gone to law school and who weren't able to because they were in the service. And I think for
Think.
Speaker 1 (03:17.61)
a while the law school actually was in the airfield into land, wasn't it?
Yeah, they were up at the they were at an air airfield, a Navy airfield. That's where it was before it actually moved here to golf course. Yeah, we actually have photos there upstairs in one of the cases of students. But Stetson was honoring GI bills.
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:35.177)
really? Okay.
Speaker 1 (03:45.932)
Yeah, the GI Bill hit. so suddenly you had a lot of people who wanted to go to law school. The school was looking to expand. They didn't have the necessary facilities over in to land. And I think there were three or four places that had put in bids and, you know, come up with packages that they could give to kind of woo the school to come over. And Gulfport had the campus.
You had this great place here and I think they were eager to get the law school here.
Mm, OK. It's interesting that they went with a place that's relatively far-flung from the rest of Stetson's campus,
Yeah, it's in a nice location. I mean, we're not exactly in St. Pete, and we're still close enough where you have people who live in St. Pete and who live in Tampa, but Gulfport's more like a nice little small town atmosphere. And I think it's really conducive to kind of being apart from the main campus.
and yet still having the academic feel to it.
Speaker 3 (05:05.612)
Yeah, yeah. So let's talk about the Hotel Rolyat, because I think this is a really remarkable location and one that has a very rich history. So could you tell me a little bit about when it was originally built and the context in which it was built?
Yeah, so let's see, in the early 20s, this whole property in Pasadena, is, so the campus itself is in Gulfport, which borders the South Pasadena. So the,
Where it was, this used to be sand and scrub palmetto and it was owned by Walter Fuller. And he eventually wanted to sell the land. So he had tried to set like auction it off, like in pieces. And then this man, his name was Jack Taylor. He offered to buy the entire property, not just the campus area, but along into Pasadena. And he had two partners with him.
and that being about 600 acres of land that he purchased. And he named it Pasadena on the Gulf and then later renamed it to the Pasadena Estates. So what he was described as a very Gatsby-like character, very flamboyant, all about wealth and elegance.
there.
Speaker 2 (06:42.658)
He was very handsome, apparently, but.
He.
wanted to create the Mediterranean revival style like city almost. He named it Rolyat, which is actually his last name backwards.
Huge.
Speaker 3 (07:01.198)
I that. I thought that was a funny detail because I was wondering what the origin of this word was. And then I saw that it was actually his last name backwards.
Yeah, so he had to have it built. He hired out new commission and architectural firm for Miami. They were named Canal and Elliott. Then he hired the John Wanamaker company to decorate the inside of the hotel and design all the furnishings inside. So.
The hotel itself was completed at the very end of 1925 and he and his wife, Evelyn DuPont from New York, they actually hosted a huge grand opening where they had champagne flowing from fountains. had young women who were dressed in like Spanish over the top dresses that would like,
They
Speaker 2 (08:09.272)
come down off the balconies like they were trapeze artists. They had a seven course meal and photographers and he wanted to create this big lavish place.
He wanted to create a buzz.
Yeah.
But from what I've read, he really didn't have money of his own. So he married Evelyn DuPont, who came from a very wealthy family in New York and basically, you know, kind of used her money, her family money. So they hosted a lot of
like famous folks. So this whole area, not just Gulfport and Pasadena, but also St. Petersburg back at this time, it was, you know, a time of like parties, theater, music, a lot of famous people coming here, like Mae West, Al Capone, Babe Ruth. Because there was this hotel, but there also was the Pink Palace, the Don Cesar, which is over at St. Pete Beach. There was a hotel that was
Speaker 2 (09:27.026)
in downtown St. Pete. Princess Martha and there was another one called you see. No way there and then the other one begins with an S. I can't think of the name but. He wanted basically to. Be on par with all of them and kind of even go a little bit above and beyond. So.
It's a smart phone.
Speaker 2 (09:55.286)
And he did, and for about a year, they sold out. The hotel was booked. Everything was just very lavish. But then the boom happened, the real estate boom, and it went under. And he basically, in the middle of the night, left. He and his wife disappeared. They had creditors that they hadn't paid.
They had employees that they basically abandoned, pay them or let them know. And apparently they had moved back up north to New York. So this place sat for a little while and then was leased by one of the managers at one of the hotels in downtown St. Peter. It wasn't the Vinoy, I can't remember now what the name of it was. It'll come to me. And he kept it running.
very well and managed it well and it functioned as a hotel still for a while. But the Sereno, the Sereno Hotel in St. Pete.
Okay. Before we move into that chapter, could we talk a little bit about the Florida land boom? Because I think this is an interesting time in Florida's history and one that Floridians might know a fair bit about, but I think people coming from elsewhere might not be too familiar with this history and what was going on in Florida in terms of land development in the 20s when the hotel was originally built. So could you talk a little bit about that?
only thing I can, I don't know too much about it. All I know is that it was an place to live. You had the water, you had the weather, you had the wealth, you had famous people. There were a lot of opportunities here. And I think folks who were coming from up north who were tired of the winter weather and everything, and they were coming down and just really taking it to a place like a Miami, basically.
Speaker 1 (12:09.102)
found I was looking at old newspapers this morning. And what surprised me because I'd never looked at them before. I've always looked for stories about the hotel in the local paper in the St. Petersburg Times and the Tampa Trib. And when I finally just did a search for raw yet just for that word, what I was finding was a great picture from the New York Daily News of
Babe Ruth at the hotel. I found stories that were in the Hartford newspapers and some of the Midwest newspapers. And basically they were all about people coming down here. You would have stories, for example, there was one that I found where somebody was just writing up their train trip to Florida. And it must have been about half a page where
It started out driving or being on the train coming into Florida, stopping in St. Pete, coming to the Raw Yacht, coming to another couple of hotels, going down to Miami. And it really was a huge thing back then that this was the resort. This was exotic. And somebody wrote that they had stopped it.
some rural area and it would have rivaled Africa if there had only been elephants. This was majorly exotic. when you look at some of the movies that were made to show the 1920s, for example, and I was thinking of some like it hot.
it.
Speaker 1 (14:01.134)
that they have the people who are coming down to Florida. This is where all the action was. This is where you went when you just wanted to get away to someplace fancy. And so you have some like it hot where they're going down to Florida. You have the Palm Beach story where they're going down to Florida on the train and all of this action happening down here. And then it just kind of stopped.
You know, it's funny when you brought up movies because it was actually, all of a sudden I pictured the scene from some Like It Hot when they're outside at that resort. I wasn't even sure that it was Florida when I was thinking about it, but that's funny that you mentioned that. I didn't realize that. So yeah.
things that's interesting to me is some like it hot apparently was filmed at a hotel in California, the Coronado, and I have had people who told me that they thought that this campus looked like the Coronado Hotel. It was the same type of architecture. I'd like to be able to tell people that some like it hot was made here. So
Okay.
Speaker 3 (15:14.921)
sure. Yeah, that would be a heck of a story.
Yes, since you bring up the architecture, let's talk a little bit about that, about the Mediterranean revival style that you mentioned, Brooke, because I think it's really distinctive. I also think it seems like it is part of this broader trend toward kind of a medieval revivalism that was very active in the 20s and the 30s.
So I'd kind of like to, could you talk a little bit about the architecture of the hotel and the influence that it continues to have on Stetson, you know, Stetson Law as it grows?
Well, I'm trying to think. It's very ornate. Everything, the details, the tower. It has those touches to it where it's the Spanish themed architecture.
There is a tower of campus, the main tower that people would see in the logo for the school is modeled after a tower. I think it's called the Golden Tower in Seville. Apparently Mr. Taylor really liked that. So he wanted to go with that. There's another round tower that's called the Granary Tower.
Speaker 3 (16:35.255)
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:49.186)
Then you've got a lot of little touches and tchotchkes that were brought over from Europe for the hotel. So for example, there's some giant jars, blue and white jars that are probably about five feet tall. And we've got a couple of those on campus still. One of them is in the library. So if anybody visited us in the library, we'll be glad to show you where they are.
So you have a lot of things like that, a lot of the older furniture that we kept, the table where Babe Ruth signed his contract, we've still got that.
Could you tell me about that? Tell me about this because you were mentioning that Babe Ruth had visited. So Babe Ruth signed a contract there at the hotel?
Yeah, it was actually one of the last events that happened before it became the Florida Military Academy. It's the Great Depression time. he basically, there was a table, they had like photographers, reporters there, and he signed his contract with the New York Yankees where he took a $5,000 pay cut. So it was a big deal.
Okay.
Speaker 2 (18:10.126)
We have photos here. actually, we still have the table. I signed my contract at that table.
We had heard rumors for, my gosh, dozens of years that this had happened here and nobody actually had evidence of it. And we finally found the picture on the internet that ran in one of the newspapers. And we have a copy of it here in the archives. Babe Ruth actually, later on, after it became a military school, he donated a donkey
As, wasn't it a donkey? Yes. As a mascot to the military school and it's named...
Bambino.
Yeah, baby.
Speaker 3 (18:55.261)
You
Oh, that's funny. I'm just doing a quick search here because I... Okay, yeah, I wanted to look this up just now. Whenever I hear dollar figures from far enough back in the past, my immediate inclination is to go to the Bureau of Labor Statistics and... And so according to them, that would have been a $92,000 pay cut is what he was taking.
So for, for the $5,000. So I just, always want to know that stuff. Wow. Okay. So, that, that, that's wild that you managed to finally track down an actual, an actual photo of the event.
my god.
Speaker 1 (19:46.316)
Yeah. A few years ago, the local news channel ran a story about Babe Ruth's daughter coming to a Tampa Bay Rays game. And I think she threw out first ball. And the school had her come onto campus. She rode up in a limo. They escorted her out and took her into the courtyard of the
of the school. We've got a great courtyard here, by the way. And she was in the courtyard, they had brought the table out where her father had signed the contract. And so she sat there with the Dean and I think signed some pictures. nice.
Yeah, could you talk a little bit about that courtyard and some of these architectural features? I know that I was looking through an old brochure for the hotel that mentioned that apparently there were floor and roof tiles that were imported from Spain, some of them hundreds of years old, at least they were claiming, that were used as part of the architecture. Are you familiar with those?
The ceiling tiles on the, or the roof tiles, I guess, on the dorm rooms and some of the buildings here are from back then. Also, there are a lot of floor tiles in some of the things like the great, I believe the great hall possibly has some. One of the things that's been interesting here is that when new buildings have been built,
they try to keep the same architectural style. So in the library, for example, we have this really nice tile in the elevator and also in the lobby that looks like it would blend in with the 1920s hotel.
Speaker 3 (21:50.476)
Yeah. That's nice that you've kept the architectural style consistent like that too. I think it really makes the whole college stand out.
could you talk a little bit about the, this is the, Dolly and Homer Hand Law Library. My understanding is that Ruth Bader Ginsburg, was that the dedication?
She was. She came here in the August heat in, I think it was 1998 when we dedicated the library. Everyone was suffering from the extreme heat at the time. She looked cool as cucumber. And she gave this really nice speech about law libraries and how important they are.
But she was wonderful. She was just very gracious. She was wonderful with the students. We've had a few students from back then who have called and wanted copies of their pictures that they had done with her because she was actually posing with some of the students for really nice stage pictures with them. But it was built with the idea that
Legal education had changed so much as far as what we needed that we really needed a new building. The building's great. We went from having a two and a half floor building that had study rooms that, well, they weren't even study rooms, but we used to call them the meat lockers.
Speaker 1 (23:32.294)
because they were so small you could fit one desk and an electric typewriter in them. From having that to having I think the most study rooms of any law library and everything is wired so students can you know plug in at a carol or at a table. It's just a really nice building and such a huge step up from what we had.
Yeah, that's great. Where I went to college, the main library was in a building that used to be a chapel. And so the library had been sort of built around the chapel in pieces. So it made for a very strange architecture.
And one of the things that I loved so much about it was that there were all these weird carols that were off in like strange nooks and corners and strange little places of the library where you wouldn't even have realized that there was a desk all the way back there at the end of that row of books. And then when I went to grad school, I went someplace where the library was really just this big giant cube and every carol looked exactly the same.
And so yeah, so it's neat being able to go someplace that has lot of to study and places to study that are just that are a pleasure to kind of be in, to be in that space. What are some of the other things that you think make the law library particularly unique?
Well, of course, the librarians. We try to keep it a little bit light over here because law school can be so stressful. we try to have things like, my gosh, we made s'mores outside for the students taking the bar last week. We have 24 hour access to the library.
Speaker 1 (25:37.922)
for students with swipe cards. so since they're here 24 hours a day or can be, we try to make it a little bit more comfortable for them. For example, we allow food in the library and we have an area downstairs with snacks and things like that. We added a meditation room last year. So we have things like
yoga mats and prayer mats and just some really nice soothing music and things like that in there. We have the library archives, which tell them about art.
Well, we have quite a collection in here. We have some items from the, when it was the hotel, and I've mentioned earlier about John Wanamaker, you know, designing the furnishings. We actually still have them. A lot of like all of the dinner dinnerware, the tea sets and everything, they're here now. Yeah. And then when it changed to the Florida Military Academy,
We have all of those things as well. We have the cadet uniforms, their upstairs in glass cases. We have their yearbooks that they had back at that time. We have those as well. And we also have a lot of donated collections from either former alumni or professors who have been here at the campus that have donated their collections. A lot of them are books that are from like the 14,
1500s, 1600s we have here.
Speaker 1 (27:20.842)
One of the highlights is...
mostly all pertaining to law.
Yeah. But one of the highlights is that we do have the transcripts of the Nuremberg medical trials because one of the former deans here who had been a justice on the Florida Supreme Court went over to Nuremberg and was on the panel there. And so we have a pretty rare set of the actual hand-bound, hand-typed transcripts of the medical trials.
And we've had visitors who come in just to see those. We have a picture of Elie Wiesel when he visited the archives to look at the transcripts. We have the judge's notes that have some pretty interesting things written on those. And those, that's kind of the prized possession, I think, well, to me anyway, of the archive collection.
But we also have, and I like to show it to people after they've seen the Nuremberg trials and are really down after seeing that, we do have the other highlight, I think, of the archives, which is the graduation picture that has Porkchop marching up the ramp.
Speaker 1 (28:50.59)
The school used to have a cat back in the 1990s named Porkchop. It was extremely fat, extremely lazy. Anybody who went to school here in the 1990s probably remembers Porkchop and he was buried in the courtyard actually. But he came to graduation one year and he marched up the ramp.
totally shocked the president of the university who was standing there giving the, you know, the lofty, you're entering the world and you're going to make a difference and you're going to do all this great stuff. And my God, there's a cat up there. And it had a huge round of applause. So, Brooke found a picture of a cat being carried by a grad into the ceremony.
Hahaha!
Speaker 1 (29:49.262)
I think it's forked up. And I think that was the next year.
Did pork chop at least get an honorary degree? I would hope so.
That's an idea.
Now the school has started giving what are they called the the tourist dog to read yeah breeze and I can't remember what they call the ones for cats but they have started giving honorary degrees to the dogs and cats of people who are graduating and they graduation ceremony for them and also to lighten things up in the library we do ask students to
send in pictures of their dogs and their cats. And so we have them in the reference room up on the wall.
Speaker 3 (30:39.574)
that's lovely. Yeah, I have question for both of you. What drew both of you to go into becoming law librarians? What drew you to the field?
photos. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:57.038)
I was a law student at the University of South Carolina and I decided I was too lazy to be a practicing attorney. I had a part-time job working as a student in the law library and loved it. And so I decided that's what I wanted to do.
You
Speaker 1 (31:20.462)
This is the only job I have ever had. came here straight from law school in 1982. You weren't even born yet in 1982, were you?
I was born in 83, so very close. 82 wasn't that good. 83 was a great one.
That was a good year.
Speaker 2 (31:42.926)
you
So I started here straight out of law school and I've stayed. I love this school. Now you came recently.
Yeah, I started just under a year ago, but my background is not in law. It's in education. I was a teacher up in Pennsylvania for just under 20 years and made the switch into library science. But I've worked in all different types of libraries, whether it was school, public, hospital.
One, I, at one point I worked in Annapolis in Maryland as a legislative librarian. So somewhat similar to this in a way, but yeah, I was drawn to just this whole, the whole atmosphere here, like how beautiful the campus is, the staff, the students. It's just very, it's very warm and welcoming and it's a great place.
It's really different here from a lot of law schools. I went to a large university where you had people from all sorts of different programs there. had thousands of people. You had the undergrads who wanted to come in and use the nice library. But here it's because we are separate from the university. You've got like a small community here.
Speaker 1 (33:13.652)
Everybody knows everybody. We have heard from students where they'll come in and talk about seeing somebody from the grounds crew across campus and how they love seeing them. They'll come in and, you know, want to talk to particular people that they know who are on the staff. We get to know the students really well, and I love that part.
That's great. Yeah. Yeah. It seems like having the law school separate from the rest of campus probably does a lot to make it an even more close knit community.
Yeah, I think so.
What do you think, both of you, from your experiences, what's distinctive about working at a law library and with law students as opposed to working at other kinds of libraries?
Well, you've had more with that than I have.
Speaker 2 (34:12.833)
Yeah, I think one of the things I was impressed with and drawn to here is that there is a lot of support for the students, whether it's from staff, faculty, everyone, even like the community, it seems like. Because I know that a lot of our students work right here in the community. So yeah.
I think for me, what I've heard is they, because law is so different from what most of them got in say undergraduate school, I think they realize a lot more than undergrads do that they don't know everything. And I think when we're willing to ask for help,
I've had students who have come by and said, can I ask you a question? And me being the smart aleck that I am, I'll say, well, you just did. And they'll say, no, am I allowed to ask you a question? Because they've never really asked for help before in a library. One thing that we started here is called the 10 minute rule, where we tell students at orientation,
you
Speaker 1 (35:37.258)
if it's taking you more than 10 minutes to do something, come ask one of us, that's what we're here for. And I think they're more willing to take us up on that because when you get into undergrad school and you're all gung ho, you think you know everything. I think because it is such a different discipline, they realize they don't. And...
that they're more willing to ask for help and I appreciate that. That's one of the things that I really like doing.
So to get back to the history of the Rolyat Hotel, you said that Jack Taylor and his wife left town when the market crashed at the start of the Great Depression and the hotel eventually became a military academy. Could you tell me a little bit more about that?
Yeah, so the Military Academy actually, it was located up in Deval County near Jacksonville, Florida and North Florida. And then it actually had been housed at a couple other hotels up north of the state. But then it was, so the Academy at one point was going through bankruptcy. So they sold it to
two brothers that was Walter and William Mendels and Walter and William actually had taken over the Rolyat Hotel. So he bought the Academy and then brought it down here from Jacksonville and started to recruit staff and boys. So it was a boys school.
Speaker 3 (37:03.758)
Okay.
Speaker 3 (37:18.03)
okay. interesting. Go ahead.
Yeah. So it became very successful. So by the time, I guess it was like spring of 1948, it grew to about almost 30 faculty members and under just under 200 students. And they lived right here on campus, both faculty and the students. And then it ended up closing in 1951. And then basically
just sat here for a few years until Stetson had purchased the property and turned it into law school.
One thing that's interesting, and for anybody who wants to see what the campus looks like, it's really nice. There's a movie that was made here in what, 1954, I believe, called The Strange One. And when I first toured the campus back in 1982, the library director was saying, and there was a movie that was made here, but nobody knows what it was. And I said,
I know what it is because I watch movies all the time. It's very melodramatic movie, a little bit overwrought, but it's it's really interesting. It's actually pretty fun to watch. And the reason that I knew what movie it was is because they show so many shots of the campus. The movie's called The Strange One. It's on YouTube.
Speaker 2 (38:25.102)
you
Speaker 1 (38:51.678)
actually the whole movie is on YouTube. So if anybody gets on YouTube and types in the strange one, it will come up. It has shots of the courtyard. It has shots of the street view looking into the courtyard. It has one really interesting scene where cadets are
running down the steps in the round tower. There are lot of shots of the larger tower, the golden tower from Seville. There are a lot of shots of that. And there's one scene that takes place in the military school cafeteria, which then became what's called the Great Hall here, which is where events are held.
wow. Okay. And so based on what you were saying, so it sounds like when it was filmed here was when it was still the Florida Military Academy.
think it was right between the time of the military school and the time of the law school.
Okay, yeah, because I know that you said that the movie came out in 54 and that was when that was the year that Stetson began classes, right? I think was 1954. Yeah. I mean, that Stetson began classes at that campus.
Speaker 1 (40:18.574)
Yeah, so it was right before then.
Huh, I wonder if maybe they filmed it like right in between.
that little, that two year, two and a half year period when I'm
Yeah, yeah, the space was available, I guess, and they were like, okay.
It does show some cannons in the courtyard and I think they probably got rid of the cannons before the law school.
Speaker 3 (40:37.486)
So Stetson moved onto campus in 1954 is when classes first began there. And could you talk a little bit about how, I how has the campus changed since then? I mean, obviously there have been new buildings. You talked about the, the, the law library, but other, other things that you would say about the way that the, the campus and the, buildings have, have changed since, since then?
Thank
Speaker 1 (41:08.366)
Aside from the library, got, we used to have a swimming pool and small weight room that was right next to the old library. And as a matter of fact, we used to have students who wanted to study on the second floor by the windows because they could look out onto the pool. That has been moved. And so there's now a pretty large student center.
with a really nice swimming pool over there. Because there's more faculty, offices have changed. And so there's now an annex with faculty offices where there used to be a faculty library. And classrooms generally have just changed to make them a lot more accessible to
students needing accommodations, also to the equipment that people use. So things like being able to use your computer during classes that really wasn't anticipated before. One of the things that I found kind of interesting when you go back and look at some of the materials from I think the 40s and 50s,
one of the major selling points for the school was every classroom was air conditioned. And that, yeah, we're still air conditioned. But it's still a selling point
Speaker 1 (42:53.422)
In Florida, it definitely is a selling point. I think in general, the school has become a lot more accessible, but it's also become a lot more user friendly in other ways in terms of making offices bigger like the registrar's office, which used to be a really small area.
than like Career Services, which now is much, much larger than it was when I first started here. There are a lot more people working in some of the offices and that's making it easier for students to get the services that they need.
Yeah, know accessibility has been one of the things that Stetson has really emphasized.
And then at the time that I started, there was one courtroom and we now have a lot of courtrooms on campus. The advocacy center that opened earlier this year has a lot of teaching courtrooms in it. And that's kind of what school's known for is for the concentration on advocacy here.
Yeah. Well, thank you both so much for being here. I really appreciated the chance to talk to you about the history of the campus.
Speaker 2 (44:18.35)
Yeah, thank you.
Thank you.
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